233 Lancaster Ave · Kitchen nook

Nook Rebuild

Build sheet for tomorrow. One sheet of plywood, four 2×4s, two 2×2s. Two runs hard to the wall on a ledger, nine legs, screwed down from the top. About 3½ hours including the store. Holes and the counter wrap come later. The finish depends on whether you paint — two sections below.

Buy list

QtyItemNote$
13/4″ sanded plywood, 4×8Four rips at 12″, along the 8-foot length65
22×4 × 8′ledgers8
22×2 × 8′the nine legs12
1Stud finderthe ledger is the whole back of the bench25
13½″ structural screwsledger into studs12
11⅝″ wood screwsseat into ledger, seat into legs8
1Countersink bitif you don’t have one — every seat screw gets one8
1Rubber furniture padsfor the table’s pedestal base, unrelated but do it5
1Water-based poly, qt + synthetic brushone coat goes on tomorrow — see “which one” below31
1only if painting: iron-on edge bandinggoes on before anything wet12

About $174, $33 of which is a stud finder and a countersink you keep. Optional while you are there: a 2½″ hole saw + arbor, $20 — and if you are painting, drill the holes before any paint goes on.

What to say at the panel saw

“Four rips at twelve inches, ripped the long way.” That gives four strips 12″ × 96″. The long way matters — face grain runs down the 8-foot length and a strip cut with it is about twice as stiff. Same cuts, same price.

Do the crosscuts at home, not there. The strips fit in the car fine, and you want to cut the west seat after you have re-measured the run.

Cut list

PartStockLength
West seat12″ ply strip78¼″not 78½ — see below
North seat12″ ply strip48″east end is open, so exact
West ledger2×478¼″runs into the corner
North ledger2×448″starts 12″ off the west wall
Legs × 92×2H − 3/4″H is your stool height
spare2 whole strips12 × 96the wrap, and hole practice

Before the first cut — four numbers

Ten minutes with a tape, and everything else follows

1. H, the seat height. Measure the top of a stool. They work; that is data. Every other height comes off it.

2. The west run. Cabinet face to the north wall. Should be 78½″. Cut the seat and ledger 78¼″ — that piece is captive at both ends and a tight one will not drop in. The gap disappears under a bench.

3. The north run. 60″ out from the west wall is where it ends. The west seat takes the first 12″, so the north seat is 48″.

4. Every stud, both walls. Mark them above the ledger line so the marks survive once the ledger covers the wall.

The ledger line is the one to get right

The 2×4 goes face-flat against the wall — 3½″ tall, projecting 1½″.

Ledger TOP = H − 3/4″. That is the line you snap, because the seat sits on it. At a 17¼″ stool that is 16½″, and the ledger’s bottom edge lands at 13″.

Get it level along its whole length. The seat copies whatever the ledger does, and it is much easier to fix now than with plywood on top of it.

Order of operations

TimeStepMins
0:00Home Depot — four 12″ rips on the panel saw, gather the rest45
0:45The four numbers. Snap the ledger line, mark every stud20
1:05Crosscut the two seats and the two ledgers. Cut ONE leg25
1:30Stand the one leg under a seat offcut and sit on it. Then cut the other eight15
1:45West ledger up, then north. Two 3½″ screws into every stud40
2:25West seat down first, into the corner. Then the north seat butted to it. 1⅝″ screws every 12″ on a line 3/4″ off the wall, countersunk30
2:55Legs. Five on the west at 19⅝″ centres, four on the north at 16″. Two screws each, set back 1″ from the front edge30
3:25Sit on them. Eat dinner off them.

Ledgers before seats, seats before legs. Both ledgers go up before either seat goes down — then the second seat gets measured off the first one actually in place, rather than off a drawing.

Can you eat off them bare?

If you are painting them, yes — skip to the next section, the answer is different and it is yours. Everything here is about the clear poly plan. For a couple of days, yes. For a month with four kids, no — and the reason is not the one you would expect.

Clear poly does not cover a stain. It seals it in, permanently.

Paint covers. Poly is a clear film that goes over whatever is already there, so a juice ring or a grease shadow you finish on top of is a juice ring or a grease shadow under glass, for the life of the bench.

And you cannot sand it out. Sanded plywood has about 1/32″ of face veneer and less after the mill has been at it; a spill that soaked in is deeper than that. Sand until it goes and you cut through to the ply below, which reads as a hard-edged pale patch — worse than the stain.

If you did mean actual opaque paint, the answer flips completely: paint hides all of this and you can take your time. Everything here assumes the clear satin poly you chose.

The one that actually forces the issue is grease, not colour

Butter, pizza, salad dressing. An oily patch does not just darken the wood — waterborne poly will not wet out over it. You get fish-eyes and craters, or a patch that never really bonds. That is a repair, not a blemish.

If something greasy lands on bare ply before you finish: blot it, clean it with mineral spirits, not water (water raises the grain and drives it deeper), and let it dry a full day before any poly goes near it.

The fix is free: the finish’s dead time is exactly the ledger time

Poly needs 2 hours between coats and you need 2 hours to hang ledgers and cut legs. Brush the strips flat on sawhorses while the frame goes up, install the next morning, and you have a properly finished bench with both faces sealed and nothing to redo.

TimeWoven scheduleMins
0:00Store, four numbers, crosscuts, one leg + sit test105
1:45Coat 1 — both faces, all four edges, on sawhorses. Poly if undecided, primer if you know you are painting20
2:05West ledger up, then north40
2:45Sponge the fuzz off, coat 220
3:05Cut and taper the nine legs40
3:45Coat 3, then leave it overnight15
next amSeats down, legs on, done60

It costs you one dinner, not a weekend. And it is the only version where the underside gets sealed too, which you cannot do once the strips are screwed down.

If you install bare anyway

Perfectly reasonable — you want to sit on them tonight. Two rules while they are bare: wipe every spill immediately rather than letting it sit, and keep markers off them, which on bare ply is a permanent line.

Then finish them within a week or two, before the general grime of four kids darkens the surface unevenly — that is the thing you cannot undo and would not notice happening. Six screws out, strips off, brush both faces, back on.

One coat is not the shortcut it looks like. It stops a wiped spill, but it is thin at the edges and a puddle left sitting still gets through. Two coats is where it becomes genuinely water-resistant; the third is for wear and can wait indefinitely.

If you paint them instead

Matching the black chairs is a good instinct and it changes two things — in opposite directions. It does not let you buy cheaper plywood. But it does make your original question’s answer “yes”.

Gloss is the least forgiving finish there is, so the substrate matters MORE

Clear poly on sanded ply looks like wood, and wood has grain, so nothing reads as a defect. High-gloss paint on a horizontal surface is a mirror — it shows every ripple, every sanding scratch, every void and every grain band that swells differently under primer.

So the intuition inverts: painting is the case where you want the smoother panel, not the rougher one.

On the rack$Under gloss
Sheathing / CDX~40voids, football patches, rough face — reads as painted sheathing
MDF~40paints beautifully, and swells forever at the first spill. Not near kids or a radiator
Sanded pine BC~65fine — but soft and hard grain bands telegraph a little
Birch / hardwood-faced~75–85take this if they have it. Closed, even face — less priming to get flat

You would save about $25 going down and spend it back in sanding, on the one component you sit on. The saving is not there.

The edges are the tell, and they cost $12 to fix

A raw plywood edge under clear poly reads as “plywood, on purpose”. Under gloss black it is a row of stripes and voids that paint sinks into unevenly, and no number of coats fixes it. It is the single thing that makes a painted-plywood project look like a shop project.

Iron-on birch edge banding. Pre-glued veneer tape, a roll is about $12, a household iron applies it and a utility knife trims it. Twenty minutes for both runs, and afterwards the edge paints exactly like solid wood. Do the front edge and both exposed ends; the wall edge does not matter.

The stack, if you go gloss

Primer twice, sanded between. This is where the flatness comes from, not the topcoat. Any decent bonding primer; sand at 220 after each coat until it feels like paper. Skipping the second primer coat is what makes painted plywood look furry.

Topcoat: a waterborne alkyd enamel — Benjamin Moore Advance, Sherwin ProClassic, or equivalent. They self-level, dry hard, and come in gloss. Not wall latex, which stays soft and scuffs. Oil-based is harder still but yellows, which is fatal if you pick white.

Read the recoat window on the can before you plan the weekend. Waterborne alkyds range from 4 hours to 16 — that is the difference between a two-day job and a four-day one, and it is the biggest single variable here.

Then leave it alone. Enamel is dry in hours and hard in two to three weeks. Poly wanted one week; this wants three. A heel dragged across a bench on day three leaves a mark that is in the paint, not on it.

And this is why your original instinct was right after all

Paint is opaque, and primer — a shellac- or oil-based one especially — blocks stains rather than sealing them in. Juice rings, grease, marker: all of it disappears under a coat of blocking primer.

So the whole argument for finishing during the build evaporates. Build them bare tomorrow, eat off them, live with them for a few weeks, and paint when you feel like it. You will also know by then whether black is actually what you want down there.

Two things to change if paint is the plan

Drill the vent holes before you paint, not after. A hole saw through cured gloss chips the rim on both faces, and you would then be hand-painting thirty bores to match. Drilling bare and painting over is invisible.

Consider satin or semi-gloss rather than high gloss. The chairs are vertical and catch light edge-on; a bench seat is horizontal and catches it flat, which is the hardest possible surface for gloss. Same colour, same match to the chairs, and it hides dust, crumbs and scuffs by an order of magnitude. High-gloss black on a seat four children climb on will look scuffed by spring.

Clear polyPainted
Materials$96~$154
Passes3 coats2 primer + 2 sand + 2 colour
Hands-on50 min~2½ hrs
Elapsedone day3–4 days
Hard enough to abuse1 week2–3 weeks
Can wait, bareno — stains lock inyes — primer blocks them
Matches the chairsnoyes

One coat tomorrow — but which one?

Yes, put something down tomorrow. It is twenty minutes, it is the only chance to do the underside without unscrewing anything, and it ends the bare-wood problem completely. The question is which product, and “regardless of final colour” hides the fork — primer is not colour-neutral, it is opacity-committing.

Primer is a one-way door

Primer is opaque, by design. You cannot clear-coat over it and see wood. Getting back would mean sanding pigment out of a 1/32″ face veneer, which means sanding through it.

So a coat of primer tomorrow is not a hedge, it is the decision. Fine if you have made it — but you told me an hour ago you wanted natural because you hate the amber, and you are now weighing black. That is a live question, not a settled one.

One coat of the water-based poly keeps both doors open

Same twenty minutes, same sealing, and it is water-white so it forecloses nothing:

If you stay clear — it is coat 1 of 3. Zero waste.

If you paint — scuff at 220 and use a bonding primer over it. That is exactly what anyone repainting varnished trim does, it is reliable, and it costs you one extra pass.

Against primer’s advantage — it blocks stains slightly harder and would have been a required coat — that is a cheap price for not deciding tonight.

Tomorrow you put down…If you go clearIf you go painted
Nothingstains lock in permanentlyfine — primer blocks them
One coat of polycoat 1 of 3scuff + bonding primer, one extra pass
One coat of primernot possiblecoat 1, and the best stain block

Poly is the row with no bad cell. Primer only wins if you already know you are painting.

If you do know you are painting, then yes — prime, and three details

Have it tinted light grey. Grey under black saves you a topcoat; white under white is obvious. A light grey is the one tint that is decent under both, so it is the right pick while white-versus-black is open. Leaning black already? Go mid grey.

Band the edges first. Iron-on banding wants bare wood, not primed wood — so if edge banding is happening it goes on tomorrow, before anything wet.

Do both faces and all edges. Then you never have to take the bench apart: later you only topcoat what shows, in place, and the underside is finished forever after one pass.

Either way it slots into the same dead time

Crosscut, seal or prime both faces on sawhorses, hang the ledgers while it dries, install. Water-based poly and water-based primer are both handleable in about an hour, so this adds roughly half an hour to the day and you still eat off them tomorrow night.

Buy the quart tomorrow, then — the buy list has it as a second-session item, and on this plan it is not.

Six things that bite

Read this once in the car

1. West seat 78¼″, not 78½. Captive at both ends. Cut it to size and it will not go in.

2. One leg, then sit on it, then the other eight. Seat height is the only thing here you cannot fix afterwards.

3. Snap the ledger line at its TOP (H − 3/4″), not its bottom. Easy to get 3½″ wrong in the wrong direction.

4. Stud marks go above the ledger line or the ledger eats them.

5. Countersink every seat screw. A proud head under a thigh is genuinely unpleasant, and you will not go back and do it later.

6. Rips the long way. If the panel saw cuts across the sheet you get four floppy strips and no way to tell until someone sits on one.

Reference

Section · 15px = 1″ledger face-flat, seat to the wall, holes over the radiator
WALL radiator top grille 1½″ 3¼″ 12″ 17¼″ 3/4″ ply seat, hard to the wall 2×4 FACE-FLAT on the wall 3½″ tall, 1½″ out 2½″ hole on a 3¼″ line near edge clears the ledger by ½″ — no socket, no second 2×4, ply only leg every 20″ front is open — no apron
The ledger’s 1½″ projection is what makes the rest simple: a 2½″ hole centred 3¼″ off the wall clears it by half an inch, so every hole is a straight bore through 3/4″ of plywood and nothing else. The radiator’s own grille sits within about 2½″ of the wall, so the line lands over it. The front stays open — legs only, no apron — which is a second escape route for the heat.
NumberValue
Seat depth, wall to front edge12″
Seat heightH — measure a stool
Ledger top / bottomH − 3/4″  /  H − 4¼″
Ledger projection1½″ (2×4 face-flat)
Leg lengthH − 3/4″
Leg spacing, west / north19⅝″  /  16″
Leg setback from front edge1″
Seat screws into ledgerevery 12″, 3/4″ off the wall
Vent hole line, for later3¼″ off the wall

Not tomorrow

All of it defers cleanly, and none of it makes you undo anything.

Vent holes — before the first cold week

30 holes at 2½″, 4″ centres, on a line 3¼″ off the wall. 15 along the west run, 12 along the north, 3 crossways at the west bench’s north end over the corner radiator. The west run’s last 18½″ has no radiator under it and needs none.

That is 147 sq in against a 120–180 target for 120″ of radiator. A 2″ saw gives 94 and does not get there. Six screws out and the strip lifts off, or do it flat on sawhorses if you would rather. The 3¼″ line clears the ledger by half an inch, so every hole is a straight bore through 3/4″ of ply. Back it with scrap, ease every rim, and poly the bores when you finish.

Until they exist the radiator vents forwards under the seat rather than up into the room — it works, it is just slower.

Finish — if you did not do it during the build

Water-based poly (Minwax Polycrylic or Varathane), satin, synthetic brush. Oil-based ambers and keeps yellowing — that is the thing you hate. Flat on sawhorses, both faces and all four edges, sawn edges drink three times what the faces do.

Coat 1 dries fuzzy — that is the grain raising, it happens once, knock it back with the 200 sponge. Coats 2 and 3 need a scuff at most, recoat at 2 hours. Three coats on top, two underneath, 50 minutes of brushing across a day. Sit on it next day, do not scrub it for a week. Not below 50°F or it goes milky and stays milky.

The counter wrap — any Saturday

25″ off a spare strip, two legs at the outboard corners, 40 minutes. The cabinet face is a finished end panel, so it blocks nothing. Nothing screws into the cabinet — the inboard end ties to the west run’s frame. Round the free corner 3″ before you finish it.

The U in plan · 5px = 1″13″ of new seat, and the curve runs along its front
WEST WALL NORTH WALL COUNTER · 36″ high the bean, v2 46¼ × 58¼ 3″ round the free corner 13″ new 25″ 78½″ 48″ THE WRAP 25″ off the same strip as the north run — 73″ of 96″ two legs, both at the outboard corners screws to the west bench frame, not the cabinet — it lifts straight out WHERE THE TABLE LANDS v2’s 16⅛″ flat runs straight along the wrap 4 to 5¾″ of table over the seat — a place at the table, not a perch
The wrap is 13″ of new seat past the shared corner, and v2’s flat lands right along its front — 4 to 5¾″ of table over the seat, exactly the overhang you want to eat at. On the table you have now the edge lands at the seat’s front, which is a perch. It also has the only real backrest in the nook, at 36″.

Anchoring the table — after the benches settle

Tonight, independently: rubber pads under the pedestal base (not felt — felt is built to slide), six to eight screws through the flange rather than three or four, shim any rocking foot, wrench the column bolt. That takes out the shift and most of the wobble.

The rest is a block in the crook, seat to tabletop, screwed both ends — about 11″, roughly 6″ out from each wall, with a bench leg under it. It turns one support point into two about 21″ apart, which ends the shift, the rotation and the tipping together. Glue a 4½″ ply cleat to the tabletop rather than screwing up through a 3/4″ top with the good side up. Height and position both wait until the table is where it will live.

Section at the crook · 10px = 1″the block does all three jobs
WALL about 11″ — measure yours ~6″ 3/4″ tabletop cleat, GLUED on 4½ square, 3/4″ ply — so no screw ever has to reach the eating face the block two 2×4s face to face, or a 4×4 offcut 4 screws top, 4 screws bottom — out again in two minutes put a bench leg directly under it the front leg, where it always was
The block sits about 6″ out from each wall, in the crook square nobody sits in, with a bench leg under it so the compression path goes straight to the floor. Glue the cleat to the tabletop rather than screwing through it — then the top screws land in 3/4″ of cleat instead of 3/4″ of finished eating surface.

USB — needs the holes first

The vent holes are the cable pass-throughs: 2½″, at the back of the seat behind everyone, and they swallow the slack. Don’t leave a charging brick in the cavity — it runs 100–120°F over the radiator and most bricks are rated to about 104°F. Either swap a receptacle for a tamper-resistant USB-C one, or put the brick in one of the two radiator-free stretches. Clip the cable off the fins; 6-foot cables.

Notching the ledger for the outlets is fine. It is a cleat lagged to every stud, not a spanning beam. Notch the bottom edge, never the top, and put a screw into the stud each side of the notch.

The window sill

Still open, still separate. Sill at 20½″ and the seat at 17¼″ makes it a 3¼″ step up, so the bench makes the climbing easier, not harder. Measure the sill depth — 4″ or under and a sloped board is the whole answer for one plank; over 5″ and it becomes a comfortable wedge they will still sit on.